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  Does anyone here believe that things are worse than they were in the past?

  by Trismegistus in

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  i still hear this crop up every once in a while, so i figured that i'd open it up to a wide audience.. things are looking pretty good to me..

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  Nathan Natas

  I going to take a moment to play "Devil's Advocate" and offer two things that are worse, I think.

  1. Since the dawn of homo sapiens, we have had the untdy habit of piling up our garbage in "middens" or dung-heaps.

  In the 21st century, we still do this! Lip-service has been paid to schemes for more efficiently recycling our waste - we put that little triangle logo on our plastic and then throw the plastic into our local dung-heaps and into the ocean. Mankind is like an infant covered in his own poop.

  2. Mankind enjoys his fish-and-chips just a bit too much. We are depleting the ocean's ability to regenerate.
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  After 44 years I finally found and spoke to my old prison buddy!

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have had very few mentors in my life.

  i love each of them dearly.. one such was a man a bit older than me named tollie padget.. .

  tollie was the rarest of rare birds.

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  Nathan Natas

  I understand your sadness, Terry. You might recall that when you first appeared on JWN I wrote to you in hope that you might be a friend from MY past who was named Terry. I was a bit disappointed to discover that you were not my old friend - yes, it was naive of me to think you *might* have been him.

  But the outcome was better than I could have imagined: although I hadn't found my old friend, I did find a NEW friend - YOU - and I'm glad for that outcome.

  Probably you will never find a *new* Tollie has signed in here, but I am certain you have made several friends who are likewise glad they met you.

  You may not share much of a past with them, but you can surely look forward to the future.

  When you recall Ol' Tollie now, you can see that he wasn't quite as smart as you thought he was; he's still in bondage. You have exceeded your mentor!

  I am proud to be your friend. Yes, you are smarter than my old friend Terry was; he's still "in" also.
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  Sign this petition - Investigation On Jehovahs Witnesses Religious Policy That Violates Human Rights and Abuses Religious Freedom

  by TJ Curioso in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  launch an investigation on jehovahs witnesses religious policy that violates human rights and abuses religious freedom.

  link.

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  Nathan Natas

  I'm with BandOnTheRun & Simon & Besty on this - this is an ineffective waste of your time.
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  Help me...!

  by OneDayillBeFree in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  lost my job, just a week before making the final arrangements to move into my very own apartment.. got a speeding ticket on the following sunday for trying to make it to the meeting "on time", (never made it to the hall, just parked in the back of a shopping center for 2 hours in silence).. marked by the elders for quitting pioneering, no more commenting and "failing to adhere to bible counsel".. jw family sees me as a disappointment.

  non-jw family is too far away to care.. found out ex-girlfriend got df'ed and is now pregnant.

  puts some of the blame on me for how things turned out.. realizing that she's not entirely wrong as i was still an ignorant, kiss-ass, die hard jwdub when we started dating, always putting the "kingdom interests first" never having time for her since "the end was so freaking close" and then warping her up in the mess of me learning ttatt.. dwelling night after night in "what could have been" if i had never been a jw.. alternating between being a theist, atheist and agnostic on a daily basis to the point where i don't care anymore yet getting creeped the f*ck out when facing my own mortality and the thought of me dying alone.. always coming to the same conclusion, when i find myself alone on friday nights and weekends, that i have no actual friends, only two conditional jw "friends" which are both currently out of town for about a month and 0 real, non-jw friends.. haven't been able to sleep well in literally weeks now.

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  Nathan Natas

  ODIBF said, "...Also, I paid the ticket the day after, but the fact that for a moment I believed that maybe I should return to the meetings and just deal with all the watchtower's BS, and then getting a ticket for trying, idk it kind of felt like a sign, although I'm not the kind of person that thinks about occurrences in that way..."

  Think about this for a moment -- there are NO "signs"!

  There is only what happens and coincidence.

  Relieve yourself of the superstitious belief that there is a plan for the universe in which you play a major part.

  This is not meant as an insult, it is the FACT about HOW THINGS ARE.

  There is no "Creator" who cares about you.

  We are, each of us, on our own, except for the brief period when we are fellow travelers on the road of time.
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  Is there an official name for this comedic device?

  by Island Man in

  1. social
  2. humour

  is there an official name for the comedic device where one replaces one word with another word having a similar pronounciation but a different (usually derisive) meaning?.

  for example, some skeptics deride the bible by spelling it "buy-bull".

  same or simliar pronounciation but entirely different meaning.

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  Nathan Natas

  In the trade, (mostly among the Eastern Jester band of colporteurs and harlequins) it is known as "Randolph's Ankle."
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  Help me...!

  by OneDayillBeFree in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  lost my job, just a week before making the final arrangements to move into my very own apartment.. got a speeding ticket on the following sunday for trying to make it to the meeting "on time", (never made it to the hall, just parked in the back of a shopping center for 2 hours in silence).. marked by the elders for quitting pioneering, no more commenting and "failing to adhere to bible counsel".. jw family sees me as a disappointment.

  non-jw family is too far away to care.. found out ex-girlfriend got df'ed and is now pregnant.

  puts some of the blame on me for how things turned out.. realizing that she's not entirely wrong as i was still an ignorant, kiss-ass, die hard jwdub when we started dating, always putting the "kingdom interests first" never having time for her since "the end was so freaking close" and then warping her up in the mess of me learning ttatt.. dwelling night after night in "what could have been" if i had never been a jw.. alternating between being a theist, atheist and agnostic on a daily basis to the point where i don't care anymore yet getting creeped the f*ck out when facing my own mortality and the thought of me dying alone.. always coming to the same conclusion, when i find myself alone on friday nights and weekends, that i have no actual friends, only two conditional jw "friends" which are both currently out of town for about a month and 0 real, non-jw friends.. haven't been able to sleep well in literally weeks now.

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  Nathan Natas

  You haven't said where you are in the world.

  You ask for help, but I am not a doctor.

  Get yourself to a doctor - a psychologist or a psychiatrist - (a psychiatrist can precribe drugs, a psychologist can't).

  The right medication and learning how to see your experiences from the proper perspective can help you.
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  Can you be DFd if you were never really baptised?

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  here's a question.

  i was baptised at a very early age.

  it may have been as early as ten years old.

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  Nathan Natas

  Your JW baptism is as "legal and binding" as your menbership in Captain Video's Rocket Rangers. Both "organizations" were formed at the whim of men for entertainment purposes only, except that Catain Video was more up-front about the entertainment value of his club. To determine the entertainment value of RELIGION you will need to meditate on the words of the Apostle Paul, who wrote that

  " It seems to me that God has put us apostles in the worst possible place. We are like prisoners on their way to death. Angels and the people of this world just laugh at us." -- 1 Corinthians 4:9 (CEV)

  Paul makes similar hints in other letters too, but Suday schools don't devote a lot of time to contemplating those riddles.

  For years I have said that baptism is the first step in becoming an XJW. It's similar to saying that marriage is the first step toward divorce, or that only those who are born can die.

  Ultimately, these things are without meaning. Appreciate the absurd universe for the cosmic funhouse it is.
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  How can I convert Mormon to something else?

  by Iamallcool in

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  2. friends

  i know this question might be in the wrong forum, maybe i will have the courage to post this question at the mormon exjw forum.

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  Nathan Natas

  Torture has been proven effective.
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  Mom says "You will die at Armageddon" - good replies?

  by serendipity in

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  2. friends

  my mother retired from her full-time job recently and has started attending meetings again.

  she also has plenty of time to think about her wayward children, including me.

  one night, we were talking and she asked me, again, why i wasn't going to meetings.

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  Nathan Natas

  I am NOT a nice guy. My response would be, "You will die of old age before that happens!"
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  Ohio woman thanks lawyer for saving her life 36 years ago from Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/03/ohio-woman-thanks-lawyer-who-saved-her-life-36-years-ago/1#.uqm0_ltwulp.

  ohio woman thanks lawyer for saving her life 36 years ago by douglas stanglin, usa todayupdated 2012-03-27 9:29 amflorida attorney joel cohen says the e-mail he recently got from carolynn ivey "raised the hair on my neck.

  " the last time she was a part of cohen's life, carolynn ivey weighed less than 2 pounds and desperately needed a lifesaving blood transfusion despite the religious objections of her parents.. cohen, then a young pensacola attorney, was tapped by the escambia county circuit court to become temporary guardian to give legal consent for the transfusions for carolynn and her twin sister, julia, the pensacola news journal reports.

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  Nathan Natas

  Thanks for posting this. Being a Master of the non-sequiter, I must ask, "Why did Carolyn Ivey's Dad go to prison for the rest of his life?"

  This becomes even more meaningful as the WTB&TS s-l-o-w-l-y backs away from the blood issue. Soon they will claim they never forbid blood just as they now claim 1975 never happened. Good thing they're not a cult.